1 00:00:00,497 --> 00:00:06,498 I've got a definite contact my 12 o'clock. Very bright yellow object. 2 00:00:06,498 --> 00:00:09,499 4000 feet above the ocean. 3 00:00:09,499 --> 00:00:14,500 A pilot and his passenger see two enormous yellow objects. 4 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:17,501 There is no absolute explanation. 5 00:00:17,501 --> 00:00:22,502 The captain of another commercial jetliner watches an impossibly large disc 6 00:00:22,502 --> 00:00:26,503 fly under him and become invisible. 7 00:00:26,503 --> 00:00:30,504 The dimension was huge. Absolutely huge. 8 00:00:30,504 --> 00:00:36,505 Now, pilots are coming forward to relive these incredible events. 9 00:00:39,506 --> 00:00:42,506 So we'll be flying really the exact position and direction. 10 00:00:42,506 --> 00:00:44,507 Exactly the same route. 11 00:00:44,507 --> 00:00:48,508 And their colossal encounters are revealed on tape. 12 00:00:48,508 --> 00:00:50,508 I have no idea what it was. 13 00:00:50,508 --> 00:00:53,509 The weight was 17,000. 14 00:00:53,509 --> 00:00:57,510 Are UFO sightings growing to epic proportions? 15 00:00:59,510 --> 00:01:04,511 This can turn out to be one of the most critical UFO sightings. 16 00:01:04,511 --> 00:01:08,512 This is case number 86206. 17 00:01:10,512 --> 00:01:12,513 Giant UFOs. 18 00:01:12,513 --> 00:01:14,513 It's just going to be right over me. 19 00:01:23,515 --> 00:01:36,518 April 23rd, 2007. Approximately 3 p.m. 20 00:01:36,518 --> 00:01:42,519 A pilot for Oranee Airlines is flying a pedestrian route over the English Channel. 21 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:47,521 In the distance, he suddenly sees a brilliant yellow light. 22 00:01:48,521 --> 00:01:54,522 He immediately radios his sighting into Jersey Air Traffic Control. 23 00:01:54,522 --> 00:01:58,523 He has just spotted something gigantic. 24 00:01:58,523 --> 00:02:02,524 Something he claims is almost a mile wide. 25 00:02:06,525 --> 00:02:12,526 These are actual radio communications between the cockpit and air traffic control. 26 00:02:13,526 --> 00:02:16,527 Do you have any traffic by 12 o'clock? 27 00:02:16,527 --> 00:02:19,528 No, no traffic at all in your 12 o'clock. 28 00:02:19,528 --> 00:02:23,528 I've got a extremely bright yellow, orange object, straight ahead. 29 00:02:23,528 --> 00:02:25,529 A very flat platform. 30 00:02:25,529 --> 00:02:27,529 I'm looking at it through a block to those as we speak. 31 00:02:27,529 --> 00:02:34,531 After initially seeing nothing, Jersey Air Traffic Control then confirms the object on radar. 32 00:02:34,531 --> 00:02:41,532 They also receive visual confirmation from a second pilot on another airline. 33 00:02:42,533 --> 00:02:48,534 Soon after, a second enormous object is sighted by the original pilot. 34 00:02:48,534 --> 00:02:54,535 He says it is smaller than the first, but still thousands of feet across. 35 00:02:54,535 --> 00:03:01,537 Looking for people as I am now, there's a second one just appeared behind the first one from where I am. 36 00:03:01,537 --> 00:03:11,539 Neither the pilot nor his air traffic controller are able to explain what these colossal objects are or where they came from. 37 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:18,541 We're here in the UK and these are not your everyday sightings. 38 00:03:18,541 --> 00:03:20,541 These are not little lights in the sky. 39 00:03:20,541 --> 00:03:27,543 We have our descriptions of huge disc shaped craft, strange objects that these pilots have never seen before. 40 00:03:27,543 --> 00:03:28,543 I'm a pilot myself. 41 00:03:28,543 --> 00:03:34,544 I'm really interested to meet these pilots who are actually far more experienced than I am, 42 00:03:34,544 --> 00:03:38,545 who have seen something that they believe is a UFO. 43 00:03:38,545 --> 00:03:44,546 You've got huge objects that dominate the landscape around them, that overwhelm the planes they're flying, 44 00:03:44,546 --> 00:03:46,547 and you've got proximity. 45 00:03:46,547 --> 00:03:51,548 Pilots fly closer to these objects and see them closer than any other witness. 46 00:03:52,548 --> 00:03:58,549 With these sightings of massive UFOs reported by multiple pilots, 47 00:03:58,549 --> 00:04:03,550 the investigation is focusing on these high caliber witnesses. 48 00:04:03,550 --> 00:04:12,552 Dr. Ted Ackworth will recreate the original O'Reany flight over the English Channel with the pilot and his passengers. 49 00:04:12,552 --> 00:04:16,553 I can't wait to meet them, sit with them in the cockpits of their aircraft, 50 00:04:16,553 --> 00:04:20,554 and kind of get from their mouths their stories of what they saw. 51 00:04:21,554 --> 00:04:28,556 Pat Uskert will scrutinize the physical descriptions of these airborne giants with an atmospheric scientist. 52 00:04:29,556 --> 00:04:34,557 I want to get a complete description of the objects and eliminate atmospheric phenomena, 53 00:04:34,557 --> 00:04:40,559 balloons or anything else that could be in the sky and make sure that we're talking about legitimate UFOs. 54 00:04:41,559 --> 00:04:49,561 And Bill Burns will examine both the eyewitness testimony and the follow-up reports to these incredible incidents. 55 00:04:49,561 --> 00:04:55,562 Pilot activity is full of science, it's full of engineering, it's full of routine. 56 00:04:55,562 --> 00:05:01,563 You take all that science and you apply it to something so unusual that it's never been before, 57 00:05:01,563 --> 00:05:04,564 now you have something you can investigate. 58 00:05:11,565 --> 00:05:18,567 Joining the team is documentary filmmaker James Fox, 59 00:05:18,567 --> 00:05:25,569 a researcher who was one of the first to speak with the O'Reany Airlines pilot after his sighting in 2007. 60 00:05:26,569 --> 00:05:29,569 I met with Captain Ray Boyer about two months after his original sighting, 61 00:05:29,569 --> 00:05:35,571 and I think it's important for us to get up and recreate the flight path to get his perspective on what took place. 62 00:05:36,571 --> 00:05:44,573 Though encounters with giant UFOs are rare in comparison to most UFO sightings, they are not unheard of. 63 00:05:46,573 --> 00:05:55,575 In 2000, a British housewife in Bonsol claims to witness what some estimated to be a nearly three-mile-wide pink and white disk. 64 00:05:56,575 --> 00:06:03,577 In 1996, over a 134-mile stretch of highway in Canada's Yukon Territory, 65 00:06:04,577 --> 00:06:10,578 more than 30 witnesses confirmed seeing a saucer-shaped object bigger than a football field. 66 00:06:11,579 --> 00:06:16,580 Triangulation data later revealed the object to be at least half a mile wide. 67 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:25,582 And in 1986, the pilot of a Japanese Airlines flight traveling between Iceland and Anchorage, Alaska, 68 00:06:26,582 --> 00:06:29,583 reported three objects trailing his 747. 69 00:06:29,583 --> 00:06:36,584 Two of the objects were small, but the captain described the third as twice the size of an aircraft carrier. 70 00:06:37,584 --> 00:06:41,585 The giant object was tracked by ground and airborne radar, 71 00:06:42,585 --> 00:06:47,587 and the FAA logged over 60 minutes of data confirming the anomaly. 72 00:06:53,588 --> 00:06:57,589 Why do massive UFOs appear to be tracking our commercial aircraft? 73 00:06:59,589 --> 00:07:06,591 Captain Ray Boyer's encounter occurs on April 23rd, as he captains Orini Airlines Flight 544 74 00:07:07,591 --> 00:07:13,592 from Southampton to the island of Olderny, one of several small islands located in the channel. 75 00:07:14,593 --> 00:07:20,594 His audio transmissions from the flight show a pilot fully aware of his unusual situation. 76 00:07:21,594 --> 00:07:25,595 He attempts to get as much information about the objects as possible. 77 00:07:26,595 --> 00:07:29,596 The FAA, any more information on the aircraft, please? 78 00:07:30,596 --> 00:07:35,597 FAA, negative, it's just a primary contact that we sometimes get anaprop on the radar. 79 00:07:36,597 --> 00:07:40,598 There is something possibly your left 10 o'clock at a range of three miles this time. 80 00:07:41,598 --> 00:07:48,600 I've got a definite contact, my 12 o'clock, very bright yellow object, we're looking for a signal. 81 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,601 His sighting expands to include a second massive object. 82 00:07:54,601 --> 00:07:57,602 And he is not the only one able to see something. 83 00:08:13,605 --> 00:08:19,607 But the flight is short, and Boyer soon finds himself safely landing the aircraft on Olderny. 84 00:08:20,607 --> 00:08:28,609 Air traffic control on the nearby island of Jersey alerts several other pilots coming into the airspace about Boyer's sighting. 85 00:08:29,609 --> 00:08:33,610 If you could keep a good look out as you pass down the side of Olderny. 86 00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:41,612 We've cross-referenced this with traffic inbound to Jersey from the south, which saw the objects from the vicinity of Sark towards Olderny at the same level. 87 00:08:42,612 --> 00:08:44,612 I go from where I was coming all that, keeping a good look out. 88 00:08:45,613 --> 00:08:46,613 Thank you. 89 00:08:47,613 --> 00:08:52,614 But when they arrive, they see nothing. The objects are gone. 90 00:08:53,614 --> 00:09:00,616 Once on the ground, Captain Boyer makes a few quick diagrams of what he sees and sends his logs to operations. 91 00:09:03,616 --> 00:09:12,618 The reaction to the event is thorough, and Bill and Pat are hoping that Boyer's immediate actions following the encounter might reveal more information. 92 00:09:13,619 --> 00:09:15,619 What made you come forward? 93 00:09:16,619 --> 00:09:18,620 Law. It's what you have to do. It's the British system. 94 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:25,621 If you see an object or other aircraft, or that shouldn't be where it is, then you have to make a report. 95 00:09:26,622 --> 00:09:31,623 So this is a standard report that pilots have to fill out when they see a UFO, and they're encouraged to. 96 00:09:32,623 --> 00:09:35,624 It's not necessarily just for UFOs. It's from something unusual in control airspace. 97 00:09:36,624 --> 00:09:39,624 It could be another aircraft, which shouldn't be there. Maybe it hasn't been picked up by radar. 98 00:09:39,624 --> 00:09:42,625 And if you see it, then you've got to report that that's the rules. 99 00:09:43,625 --> 00:09:47,626 According to the United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority, quote, 100 00:09:48,626 --> 00:09:58,629 A reportable occurrence in relation to aircraft means any incident which endangers, or which if not corrected would endanger an aircraft, its occupants, or any other person. 101 00:10:00,629 --> 00:10:04,630 What is the standard reaction when a pilot sees something in airspace? 102 00:10:04,630 --> 00:10:12,632 In British airspace, all I can say is it's just what's done. In American airspace, I understand that there's companies out there that don't want this sort of thing talked about, 103 00:10:13,632 --> 00:10:17,633 and I've heard that some pilots have been threatened that if they do talk about this sort of thing, they'll be fired. 104 00:10:19,633 --> 00:10:24,634 Though he isn't ridiculed or threatened, Boyer's account is met with little interest. 105 00:10:26,635 --> 00:10:30,636 The British government declares the incident unworthy of any follow-up investigation. 106 00:10:34,637 --> 00:10:43,638 The British military did not come back with any response immediately, although they did issue a few days later a statement stating that as the sighting wasn't of any threat to UK airspace, 107 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:47,639 then they weren't going to investigate any further, and that perhaps the French might like to do that. 108 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:57,642 The French came back with a response saying that if the British military were interested in operating some system over this matter, then they should do so, but neither have come back with anything. 109 00:10:57,642 --> 00:11:06,644 Alderney, Jersey and the other surrounding islands are dependencies of the United Kingdom, but are in close proximity to French airspace. 110 00:11:08,644 --> 00:11:20,647 Boyer finds it surprising that neither country is interested in the event, despite corroborating radar hits and the audio confirmation of a second pilot from Blue Island Airlines. 111 00:11:21,647 --> 00:11:27,648 Jersey, Blandon, 832, there's no answer to look if we can see an object which is seen by Aline at the moment. 112 00:11:29,649 --> 00:11:31,649 We've got something about eight o'clock resembling the description. 113 00:11:32,649 --> 00:11:35,650 Roger, Aline, 832, Roger, what range would you estimate that target? 114 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:38,651 Roundabout, a similar range to Alderney for myself. 115 00:11:42,651 --> 00:11:43,652 Have you talked to that pilot? 116 00:11:44,652 --> 00:11:47,653 Yeah, I've had a chat with him. Unfortunately, his company don't want him to come forward. 117 00:11:47,653 --> 00:11:50,653 He's also wanting to stay away from the limelight. 118 00:11:51,653 --> 00:11:52,654 What did he tell you? 119 00:11:53,654 --> 00:11:58,655 He saw it from about 20 miles away and described the object pretty much similar to myself. 120 00:11:59,655 --> 00:12:13,658 This is probably one of the best, most corroborated, most credible UFO sightings we've ever encountered, and that's mainly because of the way Ray Boyer took extra care to make sure his witnesses were with him in that sighting. 121 00:12:18,659 --> 00:12:27,661 The Blue Island pilot remains silent to this day, a key eyewitness, unwilling or unable to discuss what he saw. 122 00:12:29,662 --> 00:12:38,664 But other witnesses aboard O'Reany Flight 544 are willing to come forward to discuss the strange events they witnessed above the English Channel. 123 00:12:39,664 --> 00:12:46,666 They, along with Captain Boyer, are about to relive the same flight from April 23rd, 2007. 124 00:12:47,666 --> 00:12:54,667 And another sighting shows massive size isn't the only surprising characteristic of these craft. 125 00:12:54,667 --> 00:12:56,668 We can transparent and disappear. 126 00:12:56,668 --> 00:12:58,668 Almost like a dematerialized. 127 00:12:59,668 --> 00:13:18,673 On April 23rd, 2007, an O'Reany Airlines pilot and his passengers claimed to see two giant yellow-orange objects during a routine flight over the English Channel. 128 00:13:19,673 --> 00:13:25,674 The pilot, Captain Ray Boyer, claims the objects are a mile wide and possibly larger. 129 00:13:29,675 --> 00:13:37,677 Ted and documentary filmmaker James Fox are prepping a flight aboard the same aircraft, flying the identical Woot from 2007. 130 00:13:40,677 --> 00:13:45,679 He needed to follow a preconceived flight plan. He was in communication with Air Traffic Control. 131 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,680 He was flying under instrument flight rules. You really have to follow the procedure there. 132 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:53,680 So would you just describe the parameters for the flight? 133 00:13:53,680 --> 00:14:02,682 Sure. It's a trial under aircraft, 18-seater. We'll be heading, as you said, south-south-west, climbing initially to 2,000 feet. 134 00:14:02,682 --> 00:14:06,683 So we'll be flying really over the exact position and direction. 135 00:14:06,683 --> 00:14:11,684 Exactly the same route, same height, altitude and very similar weather conditions today. 136 00:14:13,685 --> 00:14:19,686 Joining the journey are Kate and John Russell, two passengers aboard the April 23rd flight. 137 00:14:20,686 --> 00:14:25,687 They also witnessed the gigantic yellow-orange objects in the sky. 138 00:14:27,688 --> 00:14:34,689 The plane is a Britain Norman trial under. A small-range aircraft used primarily for short distance flights. 139 00:14:36,690 --> 00:14:39,690 It is 49 feet, 3 inches long. 140 00:14:40,691 --> 00:14:44,692 The alleged UFOs are described as being over a mile long. 141 00:14:45,692 --> 00:14:49,693 More than 100 times the size of these aircraft. 142 00:14:51,693 --> 00:14:57,694 It was about 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Good visibility, very similar to what we have here today. 143 00:14:57,694 --> 00:15:07,697 At altitude, we're at 4,000 feet. I could see the objects, the one object to start with, and then the second object, quite clearly, with the islands behind. 144 00:15:14,698 --> 00:15:21,700 That was it when I got out of the binoculars and had a good look. 145 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:35,703 I could see this perfect shape of a pointed object, very brilliant yellow, with a dark area, 2 thirds from left to right. 146 00:15:35,703 --> 00:15:42,704 Very clear. It was a mixing light, quite clearly. Both objects, an illuminating, fantastic amount of light. 147 00:15:42,704 --> 00:15:45,705 It was very brilliant and quite difficult to watch. 148 00:15:45,705 --> 00:15:48,706 Were you able to see both of them simultaneously? 149 00:15:48,706 --> 00:15:54,707 Not initially. Initially just one object, and then on descent, the second one became visual. 150 00:15:54,707 --> 00:15:55,707 Probably how big? Any idea? 151 00:15:55,707 --> 00:15:57,708 I'd say at least a mile across. 152 00:16:03,709 --> 00:16:11,711 Captain Boyer describes the two objects at a 15 to 1 ratio of length to height, with a slightly elliptical appearance. 153 00:16:12,711 --> 00:16:14,711 The objects are also slightly tilted. 154 00:16:33,716 --> 00:16:39,717 But as the objects continue to remain in view, the passengers are alerted that something is happening. 155 00:16:42,718 --> 00:16:50,719 What I was looking out with binoculars, the chap sat behind me was saying, what is it? What's that? 156 00:16:50,719 --> 00:16:55,720 He could see it. The people behind couldn't see it so well because of the people sat in front. 157 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,721 But there are a couple of passengers sat in row 4, John and Kate Russell, and they could see it also. 158 00:17:01,722 --> 00:17:07,723 John and Kate Russell are frequent flyers on O'Reigny. 159 00:17:07,723 --> 00:17:12,724 They make this trip from Southampton to their home on Alderney often. 160 00:17:12,724 --> 00:17:19,726 But they've flown with Captain Boyer on numerous occasions and have never seen him react as he did that day. 161 00:17:19,726 --> 00:17:25,727 O'Reigny started sitting up in his seat and looking out to the windscreen. 162 00:17:25,727 --> 00:17:31,728 Well, you know, when a pilot starts moving around, you begin to wonder what's going on. 163 00:17:31,728 --> 00:17:33,729 Then he got out his binoculars. 164 00:17:33,729 --> 00:17:38,730 And again, this is rather puzzling because he knows the way. 165 00:17:39,730 --> 00:17:43,731 Ray dipped the nose of the aircraft down. 166 00:17:43,731 --> 00:17:47,732 He'd been pointing out something to the person just behind him. 167 00:17:47,732 --> 00:17:53,733 So I looked out and I saw a bright light just about there. 168 00:17:53,733 --> 00:18:02,735 And another beyond it, which was smaller, I thought the second light looked as if it could have been over the island. 169 00:18:05,736 --> 00:18:08,736 Kate, my wife, was sitting where you are. 170 00:18:08,736 --> 00:18:11,737 She then drew my attention to what we were looking at. 171 00:18:15,738 --> 00:18:20,739 A couple of orange lights down below the aircraft on the right-hand side. 172 00:18:20,739 --> 00:18:24,740 I looked over her and at this point there was only one light. 173 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:28,741 It was sort of orange-y yellow, almost like a football shape. 174 00:18:30,741 --> 00:18:35,742 But John and Kate quickly dismissed the idea that these lights are mere reflections. 175 00:18:38,743 --> 00:18:45,745 We're going south. The sun is the south of us. The sun reflects the S-bind, but we're doing 120 knots. 176 00:18:45,745 --> 00:18:49,745 Therefore the angle is changing all the time and this light was close to us. 177 00:18:50,746 --> 00:18:52,746 So you're saying it couldn't have been a reflection? 178 00:18:52,746 --> 00:18:54,747 No, it couldn't. 179 00:18:56,747 --> 00:19:04,749 If the sun's reflection had been responsible, the high speed of the aircraft would have eventually caused the light's appearance to change. 180 00:19:06,749 --> 00:19:10,750 But according to John and Kate, this doesn't happen. 181 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:17,752 They are able to see the objects for three to four minutes and Captain Boyer has been observing them for 15. 182 00:19:18,752 --> 00:19:22,753 And as they get closer and closer, his concern is growing. 183 00:19:23,753 --> 00:19:27,754 When you saw these two objects, what were you thinking? Were you scared? 184 00:19:27,754 --> 00:19:29,754 These things were getting pretty hefty, pretty big. 185 00:19:29,754 --> 00:19:32,755 And I didn't want to go any closer with the passengers on board. 186 00:19:32,755 --> 00:19:34,755 These things were getting quite close down. 187 00:19:34,755 --> 00:19:38,756 But it was at that point, maybe when we were still 20 odd miles away from them, 188 00:19:38,756 --> 00:19:43,757 that I started to get somewhat trepidatious about the proximity. 189 00:19:43,757 --> 00:19:47,758 If they were moving, they were coming towards us, I didn't know. 190 00:19:47,758 --> 00:19:50,759 At that point, Radar said they couldn't see anything. 191 00:19:50,759 --> 00:19:53,760 But I could see them and they were big. 192 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,760 They decided to come quickly at me. 193 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,761 It could have been scary, so we're just getting down and landing, that's what I was thinking at that point. 194 00:20:07,763 --> 00:20:11,763 The plane descends quickly and Captain Boyer loses sight of the objects. 195 00:20:11,763 --> 00:20:13,764 He is able to land safely. 196 00:20:15,764 --> 00:20:23,766 Despite the extraordinary circumstances, the passengers give Captain Boyer the highest marks for his reaction to the situation. 197 00:20:23,766 --> 00:20:25,767 He's not a man who gets ruffled. 198 00:20:25,767 --> 00:20:30,768 Any time you knew you were flying with Ray, you felt you were in very safe hands. 199 00:20:30,768 --> 00:20:39,770 For him to register the concern that he had meant that what he was experiencing was very abnormal. 200 00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:49,772 Upon landing, Captain Boyer immediately asks for anyone who saw something unusual to leave their information. 201 00:20:51,772 --> 00:20:56,773 While the Russells do, some of the others don't want any further involvement. 202 00:20:59,774 --> 00:21:03,775 What do you feel now that you saw something highly unusual? 203 00:21:05,775 --> 00:21:10,776 The more the time goes by, the more there is no absolute explanation. 204 00:21:12,777 --> 00:21:17,778 The most unusual thing is that the plane is flying in a very short time. 205 00:21:19,778 --> 00:21:23,779 Well, if the strict definition of the word, it was an unidentified flying object. 206 00:21:23,779 --> 00:21:25,780 Because it certainly wasn't in the sea. 207 00:21:25,780 --> 00:21:29,781 There where it had to be flying, and it was unidentified and it was an object. 208 00:21:29,781 --> 00:21:31,781 So it was a UFO, wasn't it? 209 00:21:31,781 --> 00:21:33,782 You've been a pilot for quite a long time. 210 00:21:33,782 --> 00:21:35,782 Yeah, 20 years on. 211 00:21:35,782 --> 00:21:37,782 How long had you been flying this route? 212 00:21:37,782 --> 00:21:39,783 That route at that time, about 8 years. 213 00:21:39,783 --> 00:21:41,783 So you knew it like to back your hand? 214 00:21:41,783 --> 00:21:44,784 Yeah, probably 2 or 3,000 times, you know. 215 00:21:44,784 --> 00:21:49,785 It's extremely difficult trying to explain to people what this is all about. 216 00:21:49,785 --> 00:21:52,786 And for me, it was so unusual that there's no precedent. 217 00:21:52,786 --> 00:21:54,786 I've seen nothing like it previously. 218 00:21:54,786 --> 00:21:57,787 I don't expect to see anything like it again. 219 00:21:58,787 --> 00:22:01,788 The Dimension 220 00:22:05,789 --> 00:22:10,790 While nothing matching Captain Boyer or John and Kate Russell's description has been seen since, 221 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:19,792 another pilot's sighting of an alleged giant UFO in 1994 has striking similarities. 222 00:22:19,792 --> 00:22:21,792 The Dimension was huge. 223 00:22:21,792 --> 00:22:23,793 Absolutely huge. 224 00:22:28,794 --> 00:22:37,796 In April 2007, Captain Ray Boyer and several of his passengers aboard an O'Reilly Airlines flight 225 00:22:37,796 --> 00:22:42,797 see two objects hovering above the English Channel. 226 00:22:42,797 --> 00:22:47,798 The objects are estimated to be at least a mile wide. 227 00:22:49,798 --> 00:22:54,799 While sightings of this magnitude are rare, they have happened before. 228 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,801 January 28, 1994. 229 00:23:01,801 --> 00:23:10,803 On Air France Flight 3532, Captain Jean-Charles Dubac is en route from Nice to London. 230 00:23:10,803 --> 00:23:16,804 His plane is near Paris, flying at 39,000 feet. 231 00:23:18,805 --> 00:23:26,806 The airspace here is typically crowded, but today it's going to have one more aircraft than usual. 232 00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:31,808 The Dimension 233 00:23:33,808 --> 00:23:38,809 We are meeting with retired Air France Captain Jean-Charles Dubac, 234 00:23:38,809 --> 00:23:47,811 who's sighting in 1994 of an object over Paris was one of the most incredible stories in Ufology. 235 00:23:47,811 --> 00:23:53,812 Captain Dubac is telling his story for the first and only time on American television. 236 00:23:54,813 --> 00:24:00,814 It was a very beautiful weather. We were approaching Paris and the two of us in the cockpit said, 237 00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:02,814 oh, a weather balloon. 238 00:24:02,814 --> 00:24:10,816 So it was the steward who first said there's a weather balloon there and then the co-pilot who said there was something there 239 00:24:10,816 --> 00:24:12,817 and that's what directed your attention. 240 00:24:12,817 --> 00:24:18,818 Yes, it was on our left and we look at this object during one or two minutes. 241 00:24:19,818 --> 00:24:26,820 Though Captain Dubac's steward and co-pilot initially think they've spotted a rogue weather balloon, 242 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:32,821 they quickly change their minds. The object is far too large. 243 00:24:36,822 --> 00:24:41,823 And it was at roughly the same altitude you were saying it was below you. 244 00:24:41,823 --> 00:24:43,823 But how many feet below you? 245 00:24:44,824 --> 00:24:49,825 4,000 feet. We are 39. It was about 35,000 feet. 246 00:24:49,825 --> 00:24:54,826 And so it was really surprising. The Dimension was huge, absolutely huge, 247 00:24:54,826 --> 00:24:59,827 because the distance was about 25 miles and at 25 miles you cannot see a plane. 248 00:24:59,827 --> 00:25:02,828 When did you realize it wasn't a plane? 249 00:25:02,828 --> 00:25:06,828 We all immediately identified this object as not a plane. 250 00:25:06,828 --> 00:25:11,830 It was different of a plane or a balloon or something. It was absolutely abnormal. 251 00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:17,831 As the object moves towards them, they come to a shocking realization. 252 00:25:17,831 --> 00:25:22,832 What they're looking at appears to be a huge flying disk. 253 00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:32,834 What's incredibly striking to me about Captain Dubac's sighting is that he's a trained observer being a pilot 254 00:25:32,834 --> 00:25:34,835 and he was with two other people who witnessed this object. 255 00:25:34,835 --> 00:25:39,836 And it's apparently about a thousand feet across, disk shaped in broad daylight. 256 00:25:39,836 --> 00:25:42,836 And that doesn't sound like an conventional aircraft to me. 257 00:25:42,836 --> 00:25:48,838 It was red-brown with red color, very, very curious. 258 00:25:48,838 --> 00:25:51,838 And it was some kind of haze. 259 00:25:54,839 --> 00:26:00,840 Captain Dubac describes the red-brown disk as having a strange haze or fuzziness at its edges. 260 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,842 And as he watches, he says it appears to be banking at a 45 degree angle. 261 00:26:09,842 --> 00:26:13,843 He estimates its size to be between 800 and 1000 feet, 262 00:26:13,843 --> 00:26:17,844 or more than six times the size of his own jetliner. 263 00:26:17,844 --> 00:26:21,845 But what happens next is even more surprising. 264 00:26:23,845 --> 00:26:27,846 So after one minute, it becomes transparent and disappears. 265 00:26:31,847 --> 00:26:35,848 So did it disappear quickly or gradually become transparent? 266 00:26:35,848 --> 00:26:38,849 Oh, it became gradually transparent. 267 00:26:38,849 --> 00:26:40,849 It's like it dematerialized. 268 00:26:41,849 --> 00:26:46,850 When the object seems to disappear, Captain Dubac, his co-pilot and his steward 269 00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:50,851 realize they are dealing with something extraordinary. 270 00:26:53,852 --> 00:26:58,853 Two of the most striking details to me are the huge size of that object. 271 00:26:58,853 --> 00:27:00,853 It wasn't the size of a plane, it was much larger. 272 00:27:00,853 --> 00:27:05,855 And then when the object seemed to dematerialize before his very eyes, 273 00:27:05,855 --> 00:27:09,855 what was the conversation in the cockpit of the plane about this? 274 00:27:09,855 --> 00:27:11,856 Yes, it was, what was it? 275 00:27:11,856 --> 00:27:18,857 It's impossible to create such a huge ship, which is able to disappear like that. 276 00:27:18,857 --> 00:27:24,859 With such a fuzzy characteristic with this color and this appearance. 277 00:27:24,859 --> 00:27:26,859 We cannot do that. 278 00:27:27,859 --> 00:27:33,861 Captain Dubac radios in his sighting immediately to REM's air traffic control in northern France. 279 00:27:33,861 --> 00:27:39,862 They confirm his sighting with radar from CODA, the operational center of air defense. 280 00:27:39,862 --> 00:27:42,863 Their radar registers a nearly one minute hit, 281 00:27:42,863 --> 00:27:48,864 which crosses the path of Captain Dubac's air France flight, and then disappears. 282 00:27:50,865 --> 00:27:52,865 Despite the surprising detail, 283 00:27:52,865 --> 00:27:56,866 Captain Dubac remained silent for three years after his sighting. 284 00:27:56,866 --> 00:28:00,867 Neither his co-pilot nor his steward make a report. 285 00:28:02,867 --> 00:28:06,868 But in 1997, he finally comes forward with his story. 286 00:28:06,868 --> 00:28:11,869 Two years later, it becomes one of the top cases in the commeter report. 287 00:28:11,869 --> 00:28:15,870 A 1999 document put forth by an independent defense think tank 288 00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:18,871 and sent to the French government. 289 00:28:19,871 --> 00:28:23,872 The report uses well-documented sightings, such as Captain Dubac's, 290 00:28:23,872 --> 00:28:27,873 to make the case that UFOs need to be treated seriously, 291 00:28:27,873 --> 00:28:30,873 and as a matter of national security. 292 00:28:31,874 --> 00:28:34,874 Were you impressed by the conclusions of the commeter report 293 00:28:34,874 --> 00:28:37,875 that these were military issues that had to be addressed? 294 00:28:37,875 --> 00:28:39,875 Yes, yes, I was very impressed. 295 00:28:39,875 --> 00:28:42,876 I realized it was by and by the end of the day, 296 00:28:42,876 --> 00:28:46,877 that the US government was not going to be able to do anything about it. 297 00:28:46,877 --> 00:28:50,878 I realized it was by and all everything I could imagine. 298 00:28:50,878 --> 00:28:53,878 It was really, really crazy. 299 00:28:53,878 --> 00:28:55,879 We cannot imagine the technology. 300 00:28:55,879 --> 00:28:58,879 And that's the message of the commeter report itself, isn't it? 301 00:28:58,879 --> 00:29:02,880 The commeter report basically says that we can no longer ignore the extraterrestrial hypothesis. 302 00:29:04,881 --> 00:29:06,881 The report concludes, quote, 303 00:29:06,881 --> 00:29:12,883 these studies demonstrate the almost certain physical reality of completely unknown flying objects. 304 00:29:12,883 --> 00:29:15,883 They must be the subject of indispensable speculations 305 00:29:15,883 --> 00:29:19,884 and the development of prospective scenarios. 306 00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:23,885 So what you take away from a meeting with Captain Dubac 307 00:29:23,885 --> 00:29:27,886 are his impressions of the size of the object. 308 00:29:27,886 --> 00:29:29,886 This was clearly something not a plan. 309 00:29:29,886 --> 00:29:33,887 And Captain Dubac went on to research what we have to do 310 00:29:33,887 --> 00:29:36,888 to understand what UFOs are and why they're here. 311 00:29:36,888 --> 00:29:41,889 What are these giant objects being seen by pilots? 312 00:29:41,889 --> 00:29:46,890 Another recent sighting by two US Air Force F-15s is captured on tape 313 00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:50,891 and raises an entirely new theory. 314 00:29:50,891 --> 00:29:54,892 I have no idea what it was, just to stay away from the 17,000. 315 00:29:59,893 --> 00:30:02,894 Two pilots claim to have recent sightings 316 00:30:03,894 --> 00:30:08,895 Two pilots claim to have recent encounters with colossal sized UFOs. 317 00:30:08,895 --> 00:30:12,896 Both accounts come from highly experienced pilots. 318 00:30:12,896 --> 00:30:16,897 Both are corroborated by radar and other witnesses. 319 00:30:16,897 --> 00:30:20,898 But now a third sighting raises a new theory. 320 00:30:20,898 --> 00:30:25,899 Could these alleged giant UFOs be deploying smaller objects? 321 00:30:25,899 --> 00:30:30,900 The team heads to the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester. 322 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:33,900 We're meeting with British UFO researcher Philip Mantle 323 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,901 to talk to him about a case that he's been investigating 324 00:30:36,901 --> 00:30:40,902 involving F-15s that were scrambled to check out a UFO. 325 00:30:40,902 --> 00:30:43,903 January 12, 2007 326 00:30:43,903 --> 00:30:48,904 Just three months before Captain Boyer's sighting of two gigantic objects, 327 00:30:48,904 --> 00:30:53,905 two US Air Force F-15s out of the Royal Air Force Base at Lakinheath 328 00:30:53,905 --> 00:30:56,905 are asked to intercept a target picked up on radar. 329 00:30:56,905 --> 00:30:59,906 But this object isn't a giant. 330 00:30:59,906 --> 00:31:03,907 Its size is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. 331 00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:09,908 These are the actual in-flight audio transmissions. 332 00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:18,910 Hi, dude. No kidding. I had a radar hit. There was something there. 333 00:31:18,910 --> 00:31:21,911 The sighting is investigated by Philip Mantle 334 00:31:21,911 --> 00:31:25,912 and other British UFO researchers at UFO Data Magazine. 335 00:31:25,912 --> 00:31:29,913 They receive the audio from aviation enthusiasts 336 00:31:29,913 --> 00:31:32,913 who pick up the transmissions on scanners. 337 00:31:32,913 --> 00:31:34,914 We know where it came from. 338 00:31:34,914 --> 00:31:37,914 We even know the call sign of the two aircraft that were involved. 339 00:31:37,914 --> 00:31:40,915 We know the date where the incident took place. 340 00:31:40,915 --> 00:31:43,916 We've had it independently verified by the Ministry of Defence. 341 00:31:43,916 --> 00:31:45,916 It is the genuine article. 342 00:31:48,917 --> 00:31:53,918 Phil and his partners receive this official response from the Ministry of Defence. 343 00:31:53,918 --> 00:31:54,918 Quote, 344 00:31:54,918 --> 00:32:00,920 I understand that two US AF aircraft spotted an object on their onboard radar. 345 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,921 But the MOD does not investigate or seek to provide a precise explanation 346 00:32:05,921 --> 00:32:10,922 for each of the 200 to 300 UFO reports we receive every year. 347 00:32:12,922 --> 00:32:14,923 What do you not deny in it occurred? 348 00:32:14,923 --> 00:32:16,923 They're just saying as far as they're concerned there's an explanation for it. 349 00:32:16,923 --> 00:32:18,923 It was something to do with a weather balloon. 350 00:32:19,924 --> 00:32:21,924 To follow up on this theory, 351 00:32:21,924 --> 00:32:24,925 Phil and his colleagues contact the Met Office, 352 00:32:24,925 --> 00:32:28,926 the UK's National Meteorological Service. 353 00:32:28,926 --> 00:32:33,927 They inquire about the possibility of a weather balloon in the area of the North Sea 354 00:32:33,927 --> 00:32:36,927 where the Air Force's F-15s were flying. 355 00:32:36,927 --> 00:32:39,928 They are told there were none in the area. 356 00:32:41,929 --> 00:32:45,929 For now, with the MOD dismissing the event as a weather balloon 357 00:32:45,929 --> 00:32:47,930 and the pilots remaining anonymous, 358 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:50,931 the audio transmissions are the only evidence. 359 00:32:52,931 --> 00:32:54,931 So gentlemen, this is really exciting. 360 00:32:54,931 --> 00:33:01,933 This is the actual live recording of the interaction between two F-15 pilots and an object. 361 00:33:01,933 --> 00:33:04,934 I had a radar hit, there was something there. 362 00:33:04,934 --> 00:33:09,935 It looked like a bird, it looked like no kid, a rock to me. 363 00:33:09,935 --> 00:33:11,935 First is a radar return. 364 00:33:11,935 --> 00:33:13,936 And he says it looks like a radio. 365 00:33:13,936 --> 00:33:16,936 And he says it looks like a rock to me. 366 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:34,940 So obviously, what are we getting? 367 00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:38,941 It is unknown, it's unidentified. 368 00:33:38,941 --> 00:33:40,942 Visually the pilots can't make out what it is. 369 00:33:44,942 --> 00:33:49,944 Most close sightings of UFOs 370 00:33:49,944 --> 00:33:53,944 described objects at least the size of common man-made aircraft. 371 00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:58,945 And the objects seen recently by pilots have been enormous. 372 00:33:58,945 --> 00:34:01,946 But this object is incredibly small, 373 00:34:01,946 --> 00:34:04,947 described as a rock. 374 00:34:04,947 --> 00:34:07,947 Yet according to the pilots' descriptions, 375 00:34:07,947 --> 00:34:10,948 it seems to be under intelligent control. 376 00:34:11,948 --> 00:34:13,949 It just flew right over me. 377 00:34:13,949 --> 00:34:15,949 I've heard the object appears stationary. 378 00:34:15,949 --> 00:34:19,950 It was the first time I saw it, it's 17.7, so it's not falling. 379 00:34:21,951 --> 00:34:25,951 The object now appears to be inexplicably rising. 380 00:34:28,952 --> 00:34:31,953 So not only is it an object they can't identify, 381 00:34:31,953 --> 00:34:35,954 it's an object filled with doing maneuvers, it sounds like. 382 00:34:35,954 --> 00:34:38,954 And they can't identify what the maneuvers are. 383 00:34:39,955 --> 00:34:40,955 Exactly. 384 00:34:40,955 --> 00:34:43,955 But what's really amazing is how calm these pilots are. 385 00:34:43,955 --> 00:34:47,956 They're not excited, they're just saying what they're seeing. 386 00:35:09,961 --> 00:35:12,962 His wingman is behind him at this point, so he can't slow down. 387 00:35:12,962 --> 00:35:15,962 He's dropping down 2,000 feet to get under it. 388 00:35:15,962 --> 00:35:19,963 Yeah, I got some actual goose bumps there when he's talking about merging. 389 00:35:19,963 --> 00:35:21,964 You could just imagine these planes going so fast 390 00:35:21,964 --> 00:35:25,965 and here comes this strange rock-shaped object that they're looking at. 391 00:35:25,965 --> 00:35:30,966 It's two pilots, two radar lock-ons, two guys saying that they don't know what this thing is. 392 00:35:32,966 --> 00:35:36,967 After one last pass, the two pilots lose sight of the object. 393 00:35:36,967 --> 00:35:39,968 I don't want to circle back around. Follow up, we'll be able to see it. 394 00:35:39,968 --> 00:35:41,968 Easy, easy, easy, alright? 395 00:35:41,968 --> 00:35:42,968 Thank you. 396 00:35:43,969 --> 00:35:46,969 No other evidence of the event has emerged since 397 00:35:46,969 --> 00:35:51,970 and many of Phil's Freedom of Information Act requests are still outstanding. 398 00:35:56,971 --> 00:36:00,972 Interesting to see how the M.O.D. has shrugged this thing off, 399 00:36:00,972 --> 00:36:04,973 saying, well, we don't investigate UFOs that don't constitute a threat. 400 00:36:04,973 --> 00:36:08,974 Guess what? Here's an object over-secure airspace. 401 00:36:08,974 --> 00:36:16,976 This tape can turn out to be one of the most critical UFO sightings in all of British euphology. 402 00:36:16,976 --> 00:36:22,977 And the F-15 account has striking similarities to another important pilot encounter. 403 00:36:23,977 --> 00:36:27,978 In the 1986 Japanese Airlines sighting, 404 00:36:27,978 --> 00:36:33,980 the pilot referred to two smaller objects that accompanied a third gigantic aircraft. 405 00:36:33,980 --> 00:36:35,980 The third gigantic UFO. 406 00:36:38,981 --> 00:36:42,982 He referred to the largest object as a, quote, mother ship 407 00:36:42,982 --> 00:36:46,982 and theorized that the two smaller objects were shipped sent from it 408 00:36:46,982 --> 00:36:50,983 in the same way that aircraft carriers are used by the military. 409 00:36:50,983 --> 00:36:56,985 Could it be that smaller UFOs, like the one witnessed by the F-15 pilots, 410 00:36:56,985 --> 00:37:02,986 are coming from larger ships such as those seen by Ray Boyer and Jean Charles Dubocque? 411 00:37:04,986 --> 00:37:10,988 With these new types of sightings, come theories on both sides of the UFO debate. 412 00:37:10,988 --> 00:37:14,989 Could bizarre weather phenomena be responsible? 413 00:37:14,989 --> 00:37:18,989 Or does the evidence suggest something else? 414 00:37:18,989 --> 00:37:24,991 For two pilots to see a mirage or reflection of the same image is very unlikely. 415 00:37:24,991 --> 00:37:31,992 Sightings of alleged giant UFOs have perplexed pilots and witnesses who have seen these colossal objects. 416 00:37:31,992 --> 00:37:37,994 But some scientists believe atmospheric conditions could be the missing explanation. 417 00:37:37,994 --> 00:37:44,995 Ted and Pat head to the University of Manchester to get this developing theory. 418 00:37:44,995 --> 00:37:51,997 We're about to meet with Dr. Grant Allen, who's an expert in the field of science. 419 00:37:51,997 --> 00:37:56,998 We're going to have a look at a number of possible explanations for our case. 420 00:37:56,998 --> 00:38:01,999 There are lots of different atmospheric phenomena that could be mistaken for UFOs. 421 00:38:01,999 --> 00:38:05,000 There are many tricks that the atmosphere can play with. 422 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,000 One of these phenomena are lenticular clouds. 423 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:17,002 These clouds have the appearance of lenses or disks, one of the most common shapes of reported UFOs. 424 00:38:22,003 --> 00:38:25,004 Lenticular clouds are a special type of clouds. They're actually stationary. 425 00:38:25,004 --> 00:38:28,005 They don't move like most of the clouds you might see in the sky. 426 00:38:28,005 --> 00:38:31,005 They appear to be stationary and they're also very smooth. 427 00:38:32,006 --> 00:38:38,007 The clouds form when strong winds come over high ground, such as a hill or mountain. 428 00:38:38,007 --> 00:38:46,009 As the air is lifted, the water it carries condenses and forms a cloud with a smooth top and smooth edges. 429 00:38:47,009 --> 00:38:52,010 Their appearance is typically quite large and can stretch over several miles. 430 00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:57,011 And they can appear to be very strange when compared to the clouds surrounding them. 431 00:38:57,011 --> 00:39:03,012 So to form a lenticular cloud, wouldn't you need some sort of topographic formation to move the air up into the atmosphere like that? 432 00:39:03,012 --> 00:39:08,013 Yeah, you need a very significant hill or mountain and crucially as well, very strong wind speeds. 433 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:11,014 So is that likely to happen over the English Channel? 434 00:39:11,014 --> 00:39:17,015 Well, you get strong wind speeds. There aren't many islands, so you wouldn't expect to see many lenticular clouds in the channel. 435 00:39:22,017 --> 00:39:27,018 Not only is the English Channel an unlikely location for these types of clouds, 436 00:39:27,018 --> 00:39:33,019 they are also almost exclusively found at high altitudes of 20 to 40,000 feet. 437 00:39:34,019 --> 00:39:45,022 Ray Boyer's sighting was only at 4,000 feet and Charles Dubox sighting near Paris, though at the correct altitude range, describes a tilting object. 438 00:39:46,022 --> 00:39:54,024 Lenticular clouds have little to no movement in the sky and these types of clouds are never detected by radar. 439 00:39:56,024 --> 00:39:57,024 What about sun dogs? 440 00:39:57,024 --> 00:40:01,025 Sun dogs are a phenomenon related to ice crystals in the atmosphere. 441 00:40:01,025 --> 00:40:10,027 Whenever the sun is low on the horizon, sort of at sunset, ice crystals in the atmosphere on the horizon can bend sunlight. 442 00:40:10,027 --> 00:40:14,028 Now this has the effect of forming patches of light either side of the sun. 443 00:40:15,028 --> 00:40:24,030 Though bearing no resemblance to Captain Dubox's reddish-brown disc, could bright yellow sun dogs be what Captain Boyer saw over the English Channel? 444 00:40:27,031 --> 00:40:34,032 Sun dogs typically appear in pairs and have the same bright yellow-orange characteristic of Boyer's objects. 445 00:40:35,033 --> 00:40:40,034 But sun dogs mostly appear at sunrise or at sunset on the horizon. 446 00:40:41,034 --> 00:40:44,035 Ray Boyer's encounter occurs at 3pm. 447 00:40:48,035 --> 00:40:54,037 Sun dogs are actually fairly rare and they look quite striking when you see them in the atmosphere because they are quite unusual. 448 00:40:54,037 --> 00:40:57,037 Most people would realise it's a patch of light and not a solid object. 449 00:40:57,037 --> 00:41:01,038 But Dr. Allen has his own theory on the Ray Boyer's sighting. 450 00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:08,040 Having looked at some data for the area, there is evidence for a very strong temperature inversion in the atmosphere. 451 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,041 Temperature typically decreases with height in the atmosphere. 452 00:41:13,041 --> 00:41:16,042 An inversion occurs when the temperature increases with height. 453 00:41:17,042 --> 00:41:25,044 When this happens, the inversion layer can act as a mirror, reflecting or even sometimes bending light along the atmosphere. 454 00:41:27,044 --> 00:41:36,046 The inversion could not only create bright objects like Captain Boyer describes, but false hits on radar known as anomalous propagation. 455 00:41:37,046 --> 00:41:41,047 What about these brown or grey bands that Captain Boyer describes? 456 00:41:42,047 --> 00:41:47,048 Well, that could be explained by an object in the path of the rays of light. 457 00:41:47,048 --> 00:41:53,050 So if there was a very small cloud in the path that the light has taken, then it would appear as a shadow on that object. 458 00:41:58,051 --> 00:42:06,053 But the idea of a temperature inversion may be put to rest by a recently issued analysis from several atmospheric researchers 459 00:42:06,053 --> 00:42:11,054 who published a thorough report on Captain Boyer's sighting in 2008. 460 00:42:14,054 --> 00:42:17,055 According to the research into the event, 461 00:42:17,055 --> 00:42:23,056 quote, the triangulated apparent location of UAP number one near Alderney 462 00:42:23,056 --> 00:42:31,058 was intersected by the reciprocal sight line from Captain Patterson to an unusual yellow object at a similar height in a similar location. 463 00:42:32,058 --> 00:42:39,060 What this means is that if Captain Boyer was seeing a reflection or other optical illusion from his sight line, 464 00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:46,061 it would be highly unlikely for the second pilot to see the same reflection illusion in the exact same place. 465 00:42:51,063 --> 00:42:58,064 I think for two pilots in two completely different locations to see a mirage or reflection of the same image 466 00:42:58,064 --> 00:43:00,065 so it is very unlikely. 467 00:43:00,065 --> 00:43:03,065 Does that influence your opinion of your answer at all? 468 00:43:03,065 --> 00:43:08,066 I think this is the most likely of a list of unlikely explanations. 469 00:43:12,067 --> 00:43:17,068 Science continues to struggle with answers for the objects that these pilots are seeing. 470 00:43:17,068 --> 00:43:23,070 And witnesses remain resolved, these giant objects are not illusions. 471 00:43:24,070 --> 00:43:30,071 People say they can't believe in UFOs, but here I don't think it's a matter of belief anymore. 472 00:43:30,071 --> 00:43:35,072 We've investigated the cases, we have audio evidence, we've talked to the pilots, we've got corroborating witnesses. 473 00:43:35,072 --> 00:43:40,073 It seems like regardless of what people believe, pilots are seeing UFOs. 474 00:43:40,073 --> 00:43:44,074 If you think about these cases, the amount of air traffic is only increasing. 475 00:43:44,074 --> 00:43:48,075 I can only think over the course of the coming years we're going to see more and more of these kinds of reports. 476 00:43:49,075 --> 00:43:54,076 I think the reports will only proliferate and we have a lot now we're going to have even more in the future. 477 00:43:56,077 --> 00:44:01,078 In most investigations, sightings usually occur from the ground from far away. 478 00:44:01,078 --> 00:44:04,079 This is a whole new level of UFO encounter. 479 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:13,081 As sightings of UFOs continue to increase, are they getting closer and larger? 480 00:44:13,081 --> 00:44:20,082 Or are we finally getting the best glimpses of what's been in our skies all along?